Challenging Behaviour And Cyngor Gwynedd.

I wonder if the Children and Families Department in Gwynedd ever ask themselves the question “how did we get here ?”

They have had Assembly Members for Wales, Members of Parliament, District Councillors, County Councillors, the Ombudsman for Wales all notified of systemic failures in the Department and asking questions of their behaviour.

I have been astounded at how ineffectual all these people are against council managers – whom, it appears, can behave as badly and unprofessionally as they like and there is no comeback – but that is for another post.

My involvement only began, last February, after a phone conversation between my wife and a social worker.

Remembering that – Gwynedd need to be reminded that challenging bad behaviour does not mean people are whiny bastards – it just means they are challenging bad behaviour.

 

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Who is the CLERK TO THE JUSTICES At Gwynedd Council ?

Freedom of Information request to Gwynedd Council.

Mr Creathorne 1 December 2016
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Dear Gwynedd council
As GCC print their own summonses , please identify the current Clerks to the justices signature that you use the facsimile of. Please also name all the Clerks to the justices of the last five years.
Please also provide a correspondence address for the current Clerks to the justices.

Yours faithfully,

Mr Creathorne

Rhyddid Gwybodaeth, 5 December 2016

Dear Mr Creathorne,

Freedom of Information (Ref T1739)

Thank you for your recent request under the Freedom of Information Act 2000.

Your request has been passed to me to process and I can confirm that it has been logged under the reference number T1739.

The Council may take up to 20 working days, from the date of receipt, to respond to your request. You should therefore receive the information you have requested, subject to the application of any exemptions permitted under the Act, by 02/01/2017 .

If you require further information please contact me by phone on or by emailing [Gwynedd Council request email] by quoting the reference number above.

Yours sincerely,
Wena Green

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Mae’r e-bost hwn ac unrhyw atodiad iddo yn gyfrinachol ac fe’i bwriedir ar gyfer y sawl a enwir arno yn unig. Gall gynnwys gwybodaeth freintiedig. Os yw wedi eich cyrraedd trwy gamgymeriad ni ellwch ei gopio, ei ddosbarthu na’i ddangos i unrhyw un arall a dylech gysylltu â’r anfonwr ar unwaith.
Mae unrhyw gynnwys nad yw’n ymwneud â busnes swyddogol y corff sy’n anfon yr e-bost yn bersonol i’r awdur.

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Arbedwch bapur, ynni ac arian – Peidiwch argraffu’r neges yma oni bai ei bod yn hollol angenrheidiol.
Save paper, energy and money – Do not print this message unless it is absolutely necessary.

Owen Gwawr (CG), 3 January 2017

Dear Mr Creathorne,

Freedom of Information (Ref T1739)

We refer to your request under the Freedom of Information Act in respect
to the above.

Having reviewed your request for information, we have identified that Llys
Ynadon, Llandudno could respond more appropriately. We would therefore
suggest that you contact them at the address given below in order to
receive the relevant information:

Clerk To The Justices
Magistrates Court
Conway Road
LLANDUDNO
LL30 1GA

If you have any further queries regarding this letter please contact me as
the Freedom of Information Co-ordinator. Please remember to quote the
reference number above in any future communications.

Yours sincerely,

Gwawr Owen

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Mae’r e-bost hwn ac unrhyw atodiad iddo yn gyfrinachol ac fe’i bwriedir ar gyfer
y sawl a enwir arno yn unig. Gall gynnwys gwybodaeth freintiedig. Os yw wedi
eich cyrraedd trwy gamgymeriad ni ellwch ei gopio, ei ddosbarthu na’i ddangos i
unrhyw un arall a dylech gysylltu â’r anfonwr ar unwaith.
Mae unrhyw gynnwys nad yw’n ymwneud â busnes swyddogol y corff sy’n anfon yr
e-bost yn bersonol i’r awdur.

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Arbedwch bapur, ynni ac arian – Peidiwch argraffu’r neges yma oni bai ei bod yn
hollol angenrheidiol.
Save paper, energy and money – Do not print this message unless it is absolutely
necessary.

Mr Creathorne 3 January 2017
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Dear Owen Gwawr (CG),
This response is unacceptable Since you are using the facsimile of a Clerk to the Justices signature then GCC must know who this is. Please now answer the question without further delay.

Yours sincerely,

Mr Creathorne

Owen Gwawr (CG), 5 January 2017

Dear Mr Creathorne,

The Information is signed by the Council’s Monitoring Officer, being the Proper Officer, in order to authorise the commencement of proceeding. The Summons and Information is thereafter passed to the Clerk to the Justices for approval. The Clerk to the Justices do not sign the Summons and no facsimile of the Clerk’s signature is used by the Council. Under previous arrangements the Council would forward the Information and Summons to the Clerk to the Justices who would sign and return the summons to the Council. The new arrangement have been in place for the past 12 months.

As the Council adhere’ s to the Courts requirements, if you have any questions as to this please refer enquiries to Magistrates Court Service, Llandudno

Many Thanks

Gwawr Owen
Swyddog Cefnogol a Gwybodaeth/ Information and Support Officer
Est 32809
[email address].cymru

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Adamna left an annotation (12 January 2017)

Courts have no records of individual summons or liability orders. Neither is now produced by the courts, but by the council. Nobody is taking responsibility for the court’s part in the process. We are left with only the council’s assurance that the court has, in some vague way, been involved. This is unacceptable and cannot be regarded as a legitimate court process.

Mr Creathorne 15 January 2017
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Dear Owen Gwawr (CG),
You have not answered the question.
The summonses that are issued by the council ( they are printed and sent from council office) clearly show a facsimile signature of what is purported to be the Clerk to the Justices. Who is this person , how long has this person held the position and what is the individuals contact address. As the council are using this information on their own summonses it is ludicrous to suggest that you know nothing of it.

Yours sincerely,

Mr Creathorne

Owen Gwawr (CG), 15 January 2017

Rwyf allan o’r swyddfa tan Dydd Llun 16/01/2017. A fyddech cystal â anfon unrhyw ymateb/ymholiad i gais Rhyddid Gwybodaeth i’r mailbox [email address] os gwelwch yn dda . I’m currently out of office until Monday 16/01/2017 . Please could you forward any response/enquiry to Freedom of Information Requests to the mailbox [Gwynedd Council request email] Thank You

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Mae’r e-bost hwn ac unrhyw atodiad iddo yn gyfrinachol ac fe’i bwriedir ar gyfer y sawl a enwir arno yn unig. Gall gynnwys gwybodaeth freintiedig. Os yw wedi eich cyrraedd trwy gamgymeriad ni ellwch ei gopio, ei ddosbarthu na’i ddangos i unrhyw un arall a dylech gysylltu â’r anfonwr ar unwaith.
Mae unrhyw gynnwys nad yw’n ymwneud â busnes swyddogol y corff sy’n anfon yr e-bost yn bersonol i’r awdur.

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Arbedwch bapur, ynni ac arian – Peidiwch argraffu’r neges yma oni bai ei bod yn hollol angenrheidiol.
Save paper, energy and money – Do not print this message unless it is absolutely necessary.

Owen Gwawr (CG), 23 January 2017

Dear Mr Creathorne,

As previously advised, under current arrangements the Council do not use a facsimile of the Clerk to the Justices’ signature.

So as to assist us in answering your request, please provide a specimen copy of a summons from this Council which you maintain contains a facsimile signature of the Clerk to the Justices.

Many Thanks

Gwawr Owen
Swyddog Cefnogol a Gwybodaeth/ Information and Support Officer
Est 32809
[email address].cymru

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Mr Creathorne 29 January 2017
Delivered

Dear Owen Gwawr (CG),
You may be aware that I cannot upload a document to this site. Please therefore provide me with your email address so that I may forward the document in question so that I can provide the evidence.

Yours sincerely,

Mr Creathorne

Rhyddid Gwybodaeth, 30 January 2017

Dear Mr Creathorne,

Please see email address below.

[email address].cymru

Many Thanks

Gwawr Owen
Swyddog Cefnogol a Gwybodaeth/ Information and Support Officer
Est 32809
[email address].cymru

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Mr Creathorne 11 February 2017

Dear Owen Gwawr (CG),
You were provided with the document showing the facsimile signature of the Clerk to the Justices some time ago. Please provide the answers to original questions by return.

Yours sincerely,

Mr Creathorne

Owen Gwawr (CG), 11 February 2017

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